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Welcome back everyone. Welcome back to the Conversations that Matter podcast. I just had to breathe for a second there, because it used to be what would Amber do? And I had this moment where I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to call it the whole show name, but we are here to have a conversation that matters with the extraordinary Navi Bliss. Navi is a love and confidence coach, an inspirational speaker, author, host of her own podcast, Blissful Love, and chief people officer at the Thriving Woman's Network. Navi is committed that people step into their confidence selves so that they can go out into the world and create everything that they're capable of creating. Navi is joining me from Toronto, where I would normally be, and I'm in California today. Thank you so much for being on the show and being here with me.

Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, it's so good.

You start these journey and you really talk a lot about specifically the healing journey that you went on in your life to get to where you are today. So I'd love to hear a little bit about what that journey was like for you and what prompted it and where, what's transformed for you in your life as you've gone about healing from some of the things that happened to you.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, what prompted my healing journey is I had walked away from my second abusive relationship in a row and I got out by the skin of my teeth and I realized when that happened that that was a grace that I was able to get out of that situation and that it couldn't happen again. And it forced me to face myself, because up until that point I had not really faced myself. Because I ended up in that situation because I grew up in a home with a mom that was physically and emotionally abusive towards me. So I grew up and I did not have self-esteem. It wasn't like. You know, a lot of times people can recall a time in their life where they had it and then it went away. It just I never had it, so I never knew what that was like and my whole life was this search for love and validation outside of myself, right.

And when I was previously married and when I met my husband, I was very, very young and at that time I thought, okay, like now, I'm going to be, I'm worthy and I have, I matter. And I felt like everything was changing for me because I outsourced it to him right and because I met him when I was a teenager and I thought okay. And then when he proposed to me and we got married, I was like okay, this means that everything my mom said about me is wrong. This means that I'm worthy of love, this means that I'm being validated in my existence. And then that marriage ended because he had a child with somebody else while we were married.

And then I found myself in a place where my self-worth was even lower right. So we're saying maybe I started out I didn't even start out as zero. I probably started out a negative 100. And then, because I outsourced it to somebody else and that didn't work out for me, I went from that to like maybe negative 200. And that led me to then seek sort of love and validation in any situation I could get it, which is how I ended up in 2DV situations and I just I couldn't be alone because I didn't have value and I had even less value when I was alone.

And that second situation was like such a wake-up call for me because I was like, okay, I can't keep doing this. I've been doing this and it's not getting better, it's escalating and it's getting worse and worse. And this situation of how I was able to get away because I know that that is actually very dangerous time Like that was a grace given to me by the universe and I'm not going to waste it because I'm too afraid of what would happen next. Right, and I'm not responsible for all of the things that happened to me in my past. But I realized I'm not a child anymore, I'm an adult and I do get to decide what I'm allowing into my life, and I was allowing the wrong people into my life, and what prompted my healing journey was that I knew that I had to.

I had to heal because I couldn't do that again, so even if that meant that I had to be alone forever whatever it meant that it was because it was so bad that I just realized that it got to a point where even that bit of validation that I was getting from that relationship the lows, were so low and it was so bad that it's just. I had this sense of relief. And I think I had to go down to that point in my life to realize, okay, there's more relief, like, even if I'm sad, even if I'm lonely, at least like I have some sense of calm and peace in my life that I did not have in those relationships and I need to work on my own healing. And that looks like a lot of different things for me, right? So it started with therapy, which I needed because I needed just to have space held for me, I needed to acknowledge my feelings, which I hadn't done before, and that was deeply transformative.

And then I got to a point with therapy where I remember I'd sit in my therapist's office and I would say, and she would just say to me it's okay for you to be angry at your mom. And I said, I know, but I'm done, I'm done being angry, it's not helping me anymore. I'm really, really, really ready to let go of it. And that was what led me to coaching, because coaching is focused on forward movement, and I released the past and I was ready to look forward to start building the life that I wanted and that was such a deeply transformative experience for me.

And as I started to build self-worth and self-esteem, I realized that all of these things that I'd been searching my whole life for outside of me, I could actually give that to myself. And then it was actually possible for me to feel good in my own skin, which I didn't know that until that point, because I'd never had that. I'd never had even a single moment of comfort in my body. And I realized how many other people are also struggling with this and why they're going for these relationships. And also that it was even deeper than that, because it's not even that I was going for the wrong relationships.

It's that I didn't believe that I had value to take up space in this world, so I wasn't going for the things that I wanted in life, I wasn't pursuing my passions, I wasn't putting myself out there because I didn't feel worthy of space. And then, when I started to feel worthy of space and I realized I actually have a gift for helping other people, because at first I did individual coaching and then I ended up in a group coaching program and I realized that everybody in that group coaching program wanted my input and I realized, okay, this is a gift that I have. And then I went and pursued getting certified and since then it's just really been my mission to help people to step into their confidence, to step into their worth, to encourage them to take up space, because we all have amazing things that we are capable of and the only thing that is stopping us is our lack of belief in ourselves.

You said so many things that resonated with me, navi, about your journey and I think, starting off with the beginning being in those relationships. I remember turning 30 and I had just gotten out of a couple months before my second significant relationship. The first one was with my former husband, who I married when I had my children. At a very young age. I just got clear for myself that I was not willing to keep repeating patterns of behavior that were bringing you know. I had a conversation with my brother and he said it's my opinion that you've never dated anyone who was your worth in any way, shape or form. I was like I had this commitment to be in you know, like a partnership with someone, and then I realized, well, the person who's doing the picking needs a little bit of work. And I ended up being single for 13 years and whenever, like towards the end of that time, I'm in a relationship now, but towards the end of that time, going on dates, guys would be like like people were just always so, like how can you be single for 13 years? Like that was like my 30s right, it's a long time to not be in a relationship and I just was like I think was clear that I wanted to make sure that the person who was going to be choosing my next partner not that it was perfect, not that I was looking for the perfect person, but that the person was worthy for themselves, because, unless I was worthy for myself and it took time, it took, I mean, it took as long as it took and I really, when you talk about like I had so much love for everyone else in the world but did not, you know, like, could not stand being in my own skin and being with myself and all of the things that we do as human beings to dissociate when we can't be with ourselves, and all of the things that we do to dissociate are numb, that experience, I think very damaging. Right, looking for validation of yourself outside. It's a never ending pit, as I or avoid, because you just can't fill it. You can't fill yourself up from from the outside and you just keep doing things that may provide some kind of. You know I call it sorry, mom, if you're listening to this. You know I call it my.

You know that I went looking for love in all the wrong beds for a while. Right, you know, like that, like is that going to do it, is that going to make me feel? And then it was like, oh, if I just get the title of girlfriend because I had this story for a long time that like no one wanted to be my boyfriend. It's like okay, if I just get someone to want to be my boyfriend, then that means I've like transformed something or broken through something, right. And it's like, oh no, no, someone gave me that. Nope, still not that right. It's like it's just so.

There's nothing like the sense of satisfaction and fulfillment that comes from being able to like really be with yourself with all of the you know, all of the things that you do that work and all of the things that you do that don't work, and just like not have any sense of invalidation and not be constantly having to try and prove yourself, not even even to other people, I think, because you know, at one point in my journey, the valid, you know like the needing to be validated might have looked like trying to get other people's approval, but I think the one person's approval that I could never get was my own, and so that's what. Had it just be? So you know such a devoid, bankless experience of trying to go out there and you know, get approval, and and just it was so empty.

Yeah, and I would say that that actually, there's two things that happen when you don't love yourself in relationships. Right, and you know, even if you're showing up in a loving way you know you talk about having so much love for other people, right, I relate to that because I was doing that to you right, but that love isn't, isn't, you can't show up in a way where you're creating true intimacy with people. Right, for two reasons because when you're trying to get something from someone, when you're trying to get validation, that love is also mixed in with manipulation. And even if that manipulation is kindness right, and this can apply to every area of your life this can be your friends, your kids, your parents, right, like you're doing these things for people, but you're not doing them because you want to do them. You're doing them because you want to get something from that person, you want to be seen by that person, you want validation from that person.

It's like you're giving with this string attached to it. And when you give in that way, you also have resentment attached to it. Right, and that that builds up over time. And when you are able to come from a place where you love yourself, it doesn't mean that you don't give anymore, but it means that you give when you want to give. You give without any strings. You give wholeheartedly in this way that, like other people feel it right. The irony is is like you're actually going to get the most appreciation because when you're, when you have that string of attached to it, right Of manipulation, of resentment, people feel that and so you can be doing all of the things for everybody and you're not even seeing it. And when you're just able to give and let go and just give because it brings you joy, in those moments to give, people feel that and they know that, like they don't, that you're not wanting anything in return, right, and, and you're going to energetically actually get more and return that way, because now, now you're open. Yeah.

I joke that my like the default way, I wound up being as like a self-righteous, arrogant, sorry show, bitchy martyr, and you know like it was just. I think what I'm hearing and what you're saying is like when you love yourself, you know, you say no when it doesn't work for you, versus, like you know, for for so many, I think, for so many women, just part of the network of conversations that we're born into, you know, has us feel like we can't say no, or we shouldn't say no, or it's not right for us to say no, however you want to language it, and that the resentment that comes with that when we, when we don't have the experience that we're a choice, is huge.

And the other side of that is like when you don't say no, your yes isn't very special. When you're a yes person, your yes doesn't mean very much, right, because there's no, there's no threshold, there's no bar right? If you're someone who can actually say no sometimes and then you say yes, people know that your yes has a meaning and they believe that yes.

Yes, yeah, your yes has a real power. I remember hearing that many, many years ago. If you're, if you're, no has no power, then how can your yes have any power? Very good, so talk to me a little bit about this idea of blissful love, like that's the name of your podcast, and you talk about blissful love and blissful connections. What is a blissful connection to you, navi?

Yeah, I mean I think that we're taught in the media and so many things are put out to us, that relationships need to have a lot of intensity.

Now, relationships can have passion, but often the intensity from a relationship comes from extreme highs and lows. And when I think of bliss, I think of calm and serenity, and I think that healthy relationships are based on calm and serenity and they're not based on this intensity of these crazy highs and lows. It doesn't mean that you don't have ups and downs, right, but when you're showing up as two people who are emotionally regulated, the highs and lows don't have that intensity right. You're able to work through any conflicts or anything that come up with a sense of calm, with a sense of serenity. And I really see that as that's what blissful love is, where you can just feel safe and calm all the time. Even if you know that you're having an argument or a disagreement, you can feel safe and calm to know that this isn't gonna escalate into something that you're not gonna like, this isn't gonna ruin everything that. This is something that you can figure out and you can work through.

Yeah, I think that's very important. I was thinking, you know, like your background right now is the ocean or the waves crashing on the shore and, having moved to Bali and you know my trips to when I first met Peter I start coming to California. I had me be by the ocean again for the first time in a long time and, like that law of rhythm that says, like, for every high there's like a corresponding low, right. So it's like you don't want the highs to you know your emotional response to things to be too high, because then the low on the other side of it, it's just like every wave has the corresponding high and low to it, right. I think it's also, like you know, one of the biggest gifts that Peter's given to me my partner on this, on our journey together, has been a safe space to be able to.

You know, coming out of a relationship where there was domestic violence and you know, needing to discover my own voice over time, in romantic relationships specifically, there were a lot of things that I withheld, a lot of things that I didn't say to my romantic partners, even after I started my journey of kind of falling in love with myself. Because of those, I think I had it Like if I did all this work on myself when I got into a relationship, it'd be like really blissful and there wouldn't be stuff to work on. And then I got into the relationship and I was like, oh, all of that stuff, all of those insecurities, all of that, oh, that's still there. What do you mean? It's still there. I've been working on me for like 13 years. Why is there still stuff? And I just got that.

You know it's not until you get into the relationship Like you can do lots of work on yourself and once you get into a relationship again, you know what there is to transform in partnership shows up, because it's not gonna show up when you're just kind of dancing with yourself, right and so.

But one of the biggest gifts he's given me is this ability to a safe space, to be able to be upset and know that it's not going to, you know our relationship's not gonna go end or he's not going anywhere, but that I can say things and be authentic in ways with him that I've never felt, that I've been able to be, you know, in a partnership before, which was a huge gift, and at the beginning that looked a lot like. Looked a lot like the Scottish warrior princess showing up on a regular basis, as I call myself, you know, the gr, because I am very passionate and you know, and now like less gr and you know, but again, like the gift of that safe space to be able to just say what was there and have the knowledge, the faith that you know we would be able to work anything out, was very transformative on my journey and I'm very great. I will always be so, so grateful to Peter for you know, for being that as I worked through some of my you know my challenges and communication from the past.

Yeah, I mean that's the thing, right. Like you can go and you have to be in relationship for your triggers to come up. Like I mean there's a certain amount of healing you can do on your own to lay foundations, right, and you can. Then you can feel good on your own, but then you're going to have triggers that come up. But that's, that's the thing about relationships. They're an invitation for us to heal. They're an opportunity for us to heal because you know, if we're having hysterical responses to things, right, like we know that like there's some something bigger than us, that inside of us that is being that is being triggered by that, right, because you know people can have hysterical responses to all kinds of things and you know, like the dishwasher wasn't loaded correctly, right, and it could like and and you know, and having a hysterical response to that is that it's not about that situation, right, and and I think that this is where it's like when you lay the foundation of that healing and then doesn't mean that you're not going to get triggered.

But then now, when you're in relationship with someone, you're like, ok, maybe that what I got upset about, it's not about that. So what? What is this? And it's an invitation to like, have intimacy and to share and and and being with the right person makes such a difference, like I know that in my relationship, the thing that helps me to feel safe is we don't raise our voices at each other Neither one of us do, and because I consider that to be abusive, and so, like having the history that I have had, someone can be pissed at me and they have a right to express their feelings. But I also believe that, you know, harsh conversations lead to harsh relationships, and and part of the self work that you do separately is learning how to use language to say stop, I need a break, I need to walk away from this. Or, you know, use those words to say I'm really pissed, I'm really angry, but it's just that. I know that, even if my partner gets pissed at me, that I'm safe. I'm safe that I'm not going to.

You know that there isn't going to be this onslaught of things that are said, that, even if they're apologized for that, I'm going to remember that, that that isn't going to happen, that there isn't like a bitterness that's left after we figure out how to work through things. You know you can take a step back, can pull back and you know figure out what's going on, but there isn't this like this bitterness or this onslaught of anger and then for me that is something that is that is so, so important in feeling safe and and having that. And I don't even think I realized how much I needed that until I was actually in a situation where I had that right. I had these, all of these ideas, but I was like, okay, you know, being with somebody who is conscious enough that they won't raise their voice at me, that can use their words and has that ability, what that does for my nervous system, how calm that is for me, like the blissful experience that that creates for me even during conflict I didn't know until I was in that situation.

That's beautiful. What I hear, you know, my commitment is that people get to live a life created, you know, by themselves, based on what they authentically desire. And what I hear in your journey and what you're sharing, navi, is you know, as you've gone on your journey of healing and really examine yourself, you've discovered for you what works and what doesn't work, and you know that's unique to all of us and we get to see what that looks like. But it's from a place of real examination and inquiry and and healing and I think that's you know, you've attracted to yourself someone who is a match for that and is able to, to be dancing relationship with you in a way that really works for you and is honoring, because I think that's my big commitment.

I, we were, we were out at dinner last night with one of Peter's friends I was meeting for the first time. I would joke that this, this friend, was imaginary because I come to California twice and he's one of his best friends and I never met him. And I finally met him and I was like this thing that human beings do when we create someone is other to ourselves, and then we, you know, like we don't have to treat the person, who's other, whoever, that is right. We don't have to treat them in ways that are aligned with our values because they're not like us. There are other to us, right, like I really am like. For me, it's so important that people have the experience of being honored and that's what I hear when you talk about. You know that your romantic partner is in alignment with your agreement. Who knows how he did other relationships and you know? But like that, being with each other in ways that honors the other person and what's important to them, I think it's beautiful.

Yeah, and the thing is like I planted the seeds of that before I got it, like I didn't know exactly what I needed, but I knew that I needed a place that I could be in my softness, right, because that is that is where I thrive, like.

I'm also very, very intuitive person and if I feel like I need to protect myself, I also dull my intuition, I dull those things that really helped me to shine in my life and I need to be in a place where I can stay in my softness and that was an intention that I set. And then, you know, I didn't set like the exact criteria and this is what I always tell people that it's like once you tap into a feeling, because a lot of times people are focused on on a lot of characteristics, and something that I, when I work with my coaching clients that are looking for relationships, that I have them do is I have them make that big, long list of all of the qualities that they want in a person, but then I have them distill it down to the feeling that they want, because it's not the quality that it's itself that matters, right, because you know, sometimes women will say, okay, I want to be with a really tall man. And why do they want to be with a really tall man? It's because they feel safety in that or they think that that's going to make them feel safe right. But when they distill it down to the feeling of safety, now, if they're going into the dating process and they're with somebody who's really tall, who's ignoring all of their needs, that is not helping them feel safe. So the height actually doesn't matter anymore, right, and it helps you tap into the things that really do matter.

And that was one of the things that I'd, you know intentions I'd set for myself safety, someone who allows me to stay in my softness, where I don't have to put on my armor anymore. And you know, I laid those seeds and it, you know the universe knew how to bring it to me. I didn't have to define everything perfectly.

It's beautiful. One of the things that you talk about that kind of like stood out for me in your messaging was that you can't, because I'm like you, I really like. Language is very important to me and I find language really fascinating, and one of the things that you talk about is that you can't hate yourself into a better life. You know what does that mean for you, navi?

Yeah, so the thing is that you can't hate yourself into a better life, because one reason why? Is you will never let anyone treat you worse than you treat yourself. So if you're ending up in situations and this applies to every area of your life, this applies to your professional life, this applies to your romantic relationships, it applies to your friendships, it applies to family situations the reason you are ending up in those situations again and again and again is because you are treating yourself worse than those people are treating you. Because as soon as someone crosses the threshold of how badly you treat yourself, it will be unacceptable to you. It just you won't be able to handle it. There's going to be you're going to like internally, you're going to start screaming and you can know something before you have that internal scream, right. And so this is where it's like putting. If, every single day, you're putting yourself down like you're looking in the mirror and you're pointing out every single flaw, you're going to end up with people in your life that are doing that to you and you might be thinking like why do I have these people in my life that are constantly fixated on my flaws? Because you're allowing them into your life, because you're fixated on your flaws and they're treating you a little like a hair better than you're treating yourself right, and so you're willing to accept it. The other thing is is like, when it comes to any sort of habit or anything that you're instilling in your life to bring about change, when you do it from a place of hatred, it's a punishment and there always is going to, that's always going to create resistance within you because your ego is going to say I don't want to be punished. There is a part of you that is always going to say I don't want to be punished, like why, why am I being punished in this way? Right and there. And that's why everything that you do has to come from a loving place, and it doesn't mean that you can't want to change things for yourself, but it's like let's just say you want to lose weight or you want to become more fit.

If you're doing that from a place of loving yourself and honoring yourself, the way you're going to go about it is going to be quite different. Right, you're going to worry about, like, nourishing your body and that's going to like tap into your higher self and you're going to feel good about doing that. And doesn't mean that you know that there are going to be times that you don't do it and then you would feel bad for not doing it. But so you want to tap into the good feelings of that nourishment. Right, if you're moving your body because you know it feels good to like move your body and you're doing it in a loving way, you know, again, you're going to tap into that good feeling.

And if you're doing it from a place of, okay, I need to like burn as many calories as I can during workout and has to be the hardest one, and then you feel like destroyed, right, like there is a part of you that's going to feel that punishment coming from inside of you and you're going to resist that. There's always going to be this resistance in you and you're going to stop. You're going to end up. You won't be able to continue on the path that you're going.

What I'm hearing is, like you know, trying to change, transform something about yourself or work on something about yourself from that place of like self loathing or hatred or you know, like not, like you know whatever the opposite of for you is not loving yourself is just not sustainable over time. I would language it like you can't fix something. You can't fix a problem on the outside that got created in your mind. Like there's never going to be a doubt. Like whatever right, there's never going to be enough dieting, there's never going to be enough love, there's never going to be enough sex, money, whatever it is, results, accomplishments, letters at the end of your name. Like you can't. If you decide, you know in your mind and in language, you know that you're not good enough or you're not worthy. That's not something that can be fixed in reality ever, and so I think that journey to trying to do that is just again it's, it's thankless and just leaves you feeling like all of your efforts are really wasted.

Yeah, and what we all want is we want to feel good, right, that's what we all want is to feel good. And the thing is like, the more you feel good, the more like. You know this is like something Abrahamic says, right, like the better it gets, the better it gets, and it's so true, right. And this is where it's like you tap into the good feelings a little bit at a time, right and when you're doing things, because you know it drives you, like you know, if you were seeking something career-wise and it was like you were passionate about it and it made you feel good to do it right. That like it doesn't mean that you're going to that there's an end goal where you're going to feel good, because all that's really here is the present moment. Right, but you have enough of those moments. It's going to drive that success, but you get to feel good through the process.

There isn't this you don't like, you don't have to be in this like like being in a place of misery isn't going to lead to like, one day feel good, right, and that's why, like, sometimes people resist doing the work right, and you know they like I know people that I work with, they come into my programs and they're like this is fun and it feels good and I feel better every single day, like you know, even if it's like you know, just like, like a half a percentage or one percentage right, and they're like, oh, like it doesn't have to be this thing, that's awful. And it's like, yeah, because, like you know, you want to feel good and it's like, and as you tap into the thing, you get to tap into the things that feel good every single day. It's not, you're not punishing yourself.

You're not here on this world to live a life of misery and punishment a great kind of pivot to you're not on this world to live a life of ministry, misery and punishment Kind of. Talk to me a little bit about what you're up to in the. You know we're recording this episode on the first day of the last month of 2023. And you know I'm not a huge believer in news resolutions, but I do think, you know, when we come to certain times of the year, it's a great time to kind of reflect back on on the previous year and look to what it is that we're wanting to create as we move forward into the next one. So so what? What is up for you for the rest of 2023 and moving into the new year? Navi?

Yeah, it's before I share that I'm going to share like. So I don't do news resolutions either because I don't believe in that, but I love setting an intention word for the year because I think it brings the things that you need into your life and it's like a word that you, you feel you feel good about, you feel excited about. My word for 2023 was magic and I feel like every connection that I made in every area of my life, when it was like friendship, business, like you know, every, like, every, every aspect of my life felt absolutely magical.

And like you know, it was so seamless and it was like the energy of that word that I tapped into throughout the years of my word for 2024 is excitement, oh very cool.

I go on a similar journey. My journey into my journey this year was into acceptance and you know, huge, huge awakenings on different levels. Not not just about like what it is that I want to accept or like I thought it was going to be, about things like learning to accept things that I couldn't accept before, and there was elements of that, but it was also what have I been accepting that I don't want to accept, or what's not mine to accept, so that I really love that and I love that you journey. And I still haven't found my word for 2024. It kind of like evolves from one and I think, as I spend some time reflecting further on everything I've gained out of the journey into acceptance, I'll discover what 2024 is. Word is, but excitement well, that is going to be a very interesting year for you, I think. Journey, you know, setting the intention of excitement.

And the thing, one of the things that I'm the most excited about is my first solo books I've co authored two books previously is coming out in April 2024, and I'm so excited about this book.

It is called broken to blissful, and in this I really go into depth and I share my journey, and then I also share the exact steps that I took, all of the things that I did to pull myself out of a place where I was broken to a place where I feel I feel blissful, right, and I really wanted to create this book. This is like been such a passion to one really be able to share about my life so deeply. It's scary because it's also very, very vulnerable, but also I wanted to create a resource for people that might be financially stuck and they don't have access to coaching, they don't have access to therapy for how to get started right, and a book is such an affordable way to do that, and so I really I really go in deep and I wanted to create this as a resource, and I'm so, so excited for this book to come out and all of the people that it has the potential to impact.

I love that, broken to blissful, there is an experience of being at peace around you. There is something about being in your energy, even though we're like on different sides of North America. I agree with you about books. I think you know when you, when you were speaking earlier, I was present to one of my favorite books, the by. Oh my Lord, this is how you know you're getting older and life, that you can't remember things. I can't believe you around healing and I can't believe I see I share this book all the time. I've given it away like five times yes, thank you.

That's so funny. Maybe it's because I haven't had coffee yet today. Anyway, you can, you can. You can hear your life by Louis say like that book. Like I remember reading that book for the first time and just like something so profoundly shifted inside me, you know, and one of the biggest things I took away from that book was this idea that your parents can't possibly give you something that they didn't have themselves. And neither of my parents had self worth, and so you know, that was just something that they weren't going to be able to teach me. So I'm excited to hear your books coming out in April, I think I remember you saying earlier. So I'm excited for you know what that's going to provide for people and how it's going to give them access to really, you know, taking on loving themselves Newly.

Yeah, I'm very excited to to share this and, yeah, just the the impact that it's going to create. So that's that's my big thing that I'm excited for and, of course, I always have many other things that are in the works, but my book is the thing that I'm the most excited about.

Thank you so much for being with us today and sharing about your journey from broken to blissful and just. You know your energy and all of your wisdom that you've gained through doing the work. I think that's one of the most important things, especially as coaches, is that we're on the court, we're doing the work in our own lives and we're being a demonstration of the principles and thoughts that we encourage other people to take on in their lives, and and I really experienced that with you, navi that you're someone who who's done the work to have your life be a reflection of what it is that you really want and care about and what matters to you, and it's just been such a joy to have this time with you today. Thank you.

Thank you so much for having me and, if you stuck around and you listen to the whole episode, thank you for taking the time to listen.

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